>> GOOD MORNING, EVERYBODY. [A. CALL MEETING TO ORDER] [00:00:02] THANK YOU FOR COMING TO CALDWELL COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT THIS MORNING. WE'RE CALLING THE MEETING TO ORDER THURSDAY, DECEMBER THE 11TH, 2025 AT 9:00 AM. PASTOR HARDWAY IS HERE TO DO THE INVOCATION FOR US THIS MORNING. >> PLEASE BOW YOUR HEARTS AND YOUR SPIRITS WITH ME. HEAVENLY FATHER IN THE NAME OF JESUS, WE THANK YOU FOR WHO YOU ARE AS OUR GREAT INTERCESSOR. WHOEVER LIVED TO INTERCEDE FOR US, LORD FATHER, WE ASK THAT YOU WATCH OVER YOUR WORD TO PERFORM IT. AS WE REMEMBER YOU AND THE SEASON, LORD FATHER, KNOWING THAT WITH YOU, ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE. FOR UNTO US, A CHILD IS BORN. FOR UNTO US, A SON IS GIVEN, AND THE GOVERNMENT SHALL BE ON HIS SHOULDERS. HIS NAME SHALL BE CALLED WONDERFUL COUNSELOR EVERLASTING GOD, PRINCE OF PEACE. OF THE INCREASE OF YOUR GOVERNMENT, THERE SHALL BE NO END TO ORDER IT TO EXECUTE IT. WE THANK YOU, LORD FATHER, THAT THE ZEAL OF THE LORD, THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF YOU, OH, GOD, SHALL PERFORM IT. WE ASK THAT YOU PERFORM YOUR GOOD WORD OVER US OF PEACE, LORD FATHER, IN THIS TIME, LORD FATHER. IT IS THE SPIRIT WITHIN THE MAN, THE BREATH OF THE ALMIGHTY THAT GIVES UNDERSTANDING. WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE FEAR OF THE LORD, THAT IS THE BEGINNING OF ALL WISDOM, AND DEPART FROM EVIL, THAT IS UNDERSTANDING. GRANT US YOUR WISDOM, IN ALL PROCEEDINGS, LORD FATHER, OVER EVERY COURT MEMBER, LORD FATHER, EVERYONE THAT SERVES YOUR FATHER. WE'RE ASKING FOR YOUR PRESENCE FOR EMMANUEL WITH US. EMMANUEL MEANS GOD WITH US. IN JESUS' NAME, WE DO PRAY, AMEN. >> >> >> COMMISSIONERS, DO WE HAVE ANNOUNCEMENTS THIS MORNING? [D. ANNOUNCEMENTS] >> NO ANNOUNCEMENTS FROM ME, JUDGE. >> NONE FOR ME, JUDGE. >> NONE FOR ME, JUDGE. >> I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. >> NONE. >> YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT WREATHS. >> WREATH OF AMERICA, I WAS GOING TO LET YOU GET. >> IN LU LING AT 11 O'CLOCK. THEY'RE DOING A WREATH OF AMERICA CEREMONY. ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO COME ON OUT. IT'S A VERY MOVING CEREMONY, PLACE WREATHS ON THE GRAVES OF THOSE WHO SERVED OUR COUNTRY. IF YOU HAVE SOME TIME SATURDAY MORNING, PLEASE COME OUT. IT'S A VERY NICE CEREMONY. ANY STAFF ANNOUNCEMENTS? NO. WE'LL GO TO CITIZENS' COMMENTS. [E. CITIZENS' COMMENTS] >> ANDREW MCCLEISH. >> GOOD MORNING. ANDREW MCCLEISH, PRAIRIE LEA. AT THE LAST MEETING, WE LEFT OFF WHERE IN SEPTEMBER OF 2020, THE HAYDEN COURT APPROVED A TRAFFIC SAFETY STUDY FOR PRAIRIE LEA. NOW, THE ENGINEERS DIDN'T INSTALL THEIR SURVEY EQUIPMENT UNTIL A YEAR LATER. WHEN THE RESULTS OF THIS STUDY FINALLY REACHED THE COURT IN 2022, THE DISCUSSION WAS BETWEEN JUDGE HAYDEN, ENGINEER TRACY BRATTON, AND COMMISSIONER SHELDON. LET'S GO AHEAD AND HEAR IT. >> STUDY BY AMERICAN STRUCTURE POINT INC, RECOMMENDING TRAFFIC CONTROL CHANGES ALONG ST. JOSEPH STREET AND PRAIRIE LEA. TRACY. >> GOOD MORNING, TRACY ADAM. THE COUNTY COMMISSIONED A TRAFFIC STUDY TO LOOK AT SOME SAFETY ISSUES AND STOP SIGNS IN PRAIRIE LEA. THERE SHOULD BE A SUMMARY OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS INCLUDED IN THE AGENDA BACKUP BECAUSE THE RECOMMENDATIONS INCLUDE REMOVING A COUPLE OF STOP SIGNS. THE PROCESS IS TO PUT UP SIGNAGE FOR 30 DAYS BEFORE THAT LETTING THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT THESE CHANGES ARE COMING. >> I JUST HAVE ONE THING TO BRING UP AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO AFFECT THE COURT OR NOT, BUT I HAD A COUPLE OF CONSTITUENTS THAT QUESTION THE DATE THAT IT WAS DONE. ACCORDING TO THEM, AND I'VE NOT LOOKED. COMMISSIONERS, PLEASE KNOW THAT. BUT THEIR COMPLAINT WAS THAT THAT OCCURRED DURING A RIVER FLOOD AND THAT THAT BRIDGE WAS CLOSED AND THAT THE RESORT WAS CLOSED. THEY WERE CONCERNED THAT THAT MIGHT NOT BE A REAL ACCURATE TRAFFIC COUNT. [00:05:02] NOW, I'VE NOT CHECKED THE DATE. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS A FLOOD THAT DAY. I DON'T KNOW IF THE RESORT WAS CLOSED THAT DAY, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT I WANTED TO JUST BRING UP FOR CONSIDERATION. >> IT MIGHT CAUSED A LITTLE MORE TRAFFIC IF PEOPLE WENT. I DON'T KNOW THE DATE OF THE FLOOD. >> I DON'T EITHER. >> IF DROVE THERE, TURNED AROUND, CAME BACK OUT, NOT MADE IT ACROSS. I DON'T KNOW. >> YEAH, UNLESS THEY KNEW IT WAS CLOSED ALREADY, YOU'RE GOING TO GO AND GET IT AND TURN AROUND AND THAT'S THE EQUAL NUMBER OF TRIPS THAN IF YOU WENT AND STAYED. >> I WANTED TO BRING THAT UP JUST SO THE COURT'S AWARE OF IT. I TOLD THE CONSTITUENT THAT I WOULD. >> FRANKLY, THESE TRAFFIC COUNTS WERE NOTHING THAT EVEN CAME CLOSE TO WARRANTING THE STOP SIGN. IT'S NOT LIKE WE WERE 95 OR 90% OF THE WARRANT, WE'RE LIKE 5%. >> VERY GOOD. WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS HERE, TRACY? >> I THINK NEXT STEPS WOULD BE TO ACCEPT THE FINDINGS OF THE STUDY AND TO DIRECT UNIT ROAD AND MYSELF TO PROCEED WITH IMPLEMENTATION. >> I THINK A MOTION MIGHT BE SOMETHING IN THE ORDER OF ACCEPT FINDINGS OF THE STUDY, DELEGATE THE ACTIONS OF THE STUDY TO TRACY BRATTON WHAT HE SAID AND DONALD DECLARE, AND YOU GUYS WOULD SEE TO IT THAT ALL THE PROPER STEPS WERE FOLLOWED. >> CORRECT. >> I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION. >> WE HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND DELEGATE AUTHORITY TO TRACY BRATTON WITH DONALD DECLARE TO FOLLOW THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND MAKE NECESSARY CHANGES. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> I'LL SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> OPPOSED, HEARING NONE. MOTION CARRIES. >> THERE YOU HAVE IT. BASED ON EVIDENCE AND THE JUDGMENT OF EXPERTS, THEY UNANIMOUSLY VOTED TO REMOVE THE ALWAYS STOPS. AT THE NEXT MEETING, WE'LL LOOK AT HOW THE TRAFFIC SAFETY STUDY ITSELF COMES UNDER MORE SCRUTINY. THANKS FOR LISTENING, AND I HOPE EVERYONE HAS A WONDERFUL WEEKEND. >> ANYBODY ELSE? >> NO MORE CITIZEN COMMENTS. >> THANK YOU. WITH THAT, [F. CONSENT AGENDA] WE WILL GO TO CONSENT COMMISSIONERS. IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, BUT FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE. >> MOVE TO APPROVE. >> MOVE APPROVAL BY COMMISSIONER HORNE. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WESTMORELAND. ANY DISCUSSION? NOT ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> OPPOSED, HEARING NONE. MOTION CARRIES. DISCUSSION ACTION ITEMS. ITEM G1. [G.1 To discuss and take possible action regarding the approval of the Minutes for the November 25, 2025, regular meeting.] DISCUSS AND TAKE POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FOR NOVEMBER 2025 REGULAR MEETING. >> MOVE TO APPROVE, JUDGE. >> MOVE APPROVAL BY COMMISSIONER HORNE. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> SECOND BY COMMISSIONER THERIOT. ANY DISCUSSION? NOT ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> AYE, OPPOSED HEARING NONE. MOTION CARRIES. ITEM G2. [G.2 To discuss and take possible action regarding the Preliminary Plat for Sunset Acres consisting of six residential lots on approximately 11.507 acres located on Sunset Trail and Union Hill Road.] DISCUSS AND TAKE POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR SUNSET ACRES, CONSISTING OF SIX RESIDENTIAL LOTS ON APPROXIMATELY 11.507 ACRES LOCATED ON SUNSET TRAIL IN UNION HILL ROAD. >> GOOD MORNING. THIS IS JUST A PRELIMINARY PLAT SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD INTO FINAL PLAT. UP TO THIS POINT, ALL CORRECTIONS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED. ALL FEES HAVE BEEN PAID, AND WE'RE JUST READY TO MOVE FORWARD. >> COMMISSIONERS? >> MOVE TO APPROVE. >> MOVE APPROVAL BY COMMISSIONER HORNE. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> SECOND BY COMMISSIONER THOMAS. ANY DISCUSSION? NOT ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> OPPOSED HEARING NONE. MOTION CARRIES. [NOISE] ITEM G3, DISCUSS AND TAKE POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR [G.3 To discuss and take possible action regarding the Preliminary Plat for Serna Subdivision consisting of 15 lots on approximately 38.789 acres located on FM 672 and Serna Drive.] SERNA SUBDIVISION CONSISTING OF 15 LOTS ON APPROXIMATELY 38.79 ACRES ON FM672 AND SERNA DRIVE. >> JUST A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY. THIS WAS THE SUBDIVISION THAT HAS BEEN IN VIOLATION FOR QUITE A WHILE. WE'RE AT THE POINT TO WHERE WE'RE READY TO MOVE FORWARD. THEY HAD SOME ISSUES WITH WATER AND EVERYTHING, BUT THEY MOVED PAST THAT AND WE'RE READY TO MOVE INTO FINAL PLAT. >> COMMISSIONERS? >> SO MOVED TO APPROVAL. >> MOVE APPROVAL BY COMMISSIONER THOMAS. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> SECOND BY COMMISSIONER THERIOT. ANY DISCUSSION? NOT ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >> AYE. OPPOSED HEARING NONE, MOTION CARRIES. ITEM G4, DISCUSS AND TAKE POSSIBLE ACTION [G.4 To discuss and take possible action regarding assigning authority to the County Judge to negotiate the terms and conditions of Right of Way acquisition for Road Bond Projects, granted that the decision to file suit for Right of Entry, Condemnation, or other acquisition-related matters, like final agreements, shall remain the prerogative of the Caldwell County Commissioners Court.] REGARDING ASSIGNING AUTHORITY TO THE COUNTY JUDGE, NEGOTIATE THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF RIGHT AWAY ACQUISITION FOR ROAD BOND PROJECTS, GRANTED THAT DECISION TO FILE SUIT FOR RIGHT OF ENTRY, CONDEMNATION, OR OTHER ACQUISITION-RELATED MATTERS LIKE FINAL AGREEMENT [00:10:01] SHALL REMAIN THE PREROGATIVE OF THE CALDWELL COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT. COMMISSIONERS IS PRETTY MUCH WHAT IT SAYS. AS WE GO THROUGH THE ROAD BOND AND START HAVING DISCUSSIONS WITH CONSTITUENTS REGARDING RIGHT AWAY. IT GIVES ME AND RICHARD AUTHORITY TO NEGOTIATE THOSE DEALS, AND THEN THEY WOULD, OF COURSE, COME BACK INTO COURT ONCE NEGOTIATED FOR YOUR APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL. >> MOVE TO APPROVE. > MOVE APPROVAL BY COMMISSIONER HORNE. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WESTMORELAND. DISCUSSION. NOT ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> OPPOSED HEARING NONE. MOTION CARRIES. ITEM G5, DISCUSS AND TAKE POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING [G.5 To discuss and take possible action regarding authorization of the execution of a Professional Services Agreement and Work Authorizations between Caldwell County and Pape Dawson Consulting Engineers, Inc. to provide design services on the Creekside Drive at Plum Creek project and Seawillow (CR 205) at Sixmile Branch and Wattsville (CR 140) at Copperas Creek project in Precinct 1 and Precinct 2.] AUTHORIZATION OF THE EXECUTION OF SPECIAL SERVICES AGREEMENT AND WORK AUTHORIZATIONS BETWEEN CALDWELL COUNTY AND PAVE DAWSON CONSULTING ENGINEERS TO PROVIDE DESIGN WORK FOR CREEKSIDE DRIVE AT PLUM CREEK PROJECT AND SEA WILLOWS COUNTY ROAD 205 AT SIX MILE BRANCH AND WATTSVILLE, COUNTY ROAD 140 AT COPPERS PROJECT, PRECINCT 1 AND PRECINCT 2, COMMISSIONERS, AND COST IS 3,100,000. >> I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE. >> MOVE APPROVAL BY COMMISSIONER WESTMORELAND. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HORNE. ANY DISCUSSION? NOT ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> OPPOSED, HEARING NONE. MOTION CARRIES. I THINK I'M GOING TO SKIP G6 FOR THE MOMENT. STEVE IS STUCK IN TRAFFIC, THERE WAS A WRECK IN AUSTIN. WE'LL MOVE PAST THAT AND GO TO ITEM G7. [G.7 To discuss and take possible action regarding Resolution 06-2026 declaring Caldwell County's support for the State Hwy. 46 Expansion Project.] DISCUSS AND TAKE POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING RESOLUTION 062026, DECLARING THE COUNTY SUPPORT FOR STATE HIGHWAY 46 EXPANSION. [NOISE] THE COMMISSIONER IS A REGIONAL ITEM. THE COURT FROM THAT COUNTY REACHED OUT, AND THEY'RE JUST LOOKING FOR SUPPORT FROM THEIR PROJECT FOR SURROUNDING COUNTIES. AS YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE GONE DOWN HIGHWAY 46 AT ALL, IT'S A MESS. THEY'RE JUST LOOKING FOR SUPPORT ON A REGIONAL BASIS FROM OTHER COMMISSIONERS' COURTS. >> ALSO MOVE APPROVAL. >> MOVE APPROVAL BY COMMISSIONER THERIOT. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> SECOND BY COMMISSIONER THOMAS AND ON RESOLUTION 062026. ANY DISCUSSION? NOT ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> OPPOSED HEARING NONE. MOTION CARRIES. ITEM G8, DISCUSS AND TAKE POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING [G.8 To discuss and take possible action regarding the 2026 Texas Association of Counties Annual Cybersecurity Training at a cost of $5.00 per person.] THE 2026 TECH ASSOCIATION ACCOUNTING'S ANNUAL CYBERSECURITY TRAINING, COST IS $5 PER PERSON. >> HI, COMMISSIONERS. IT'S THAT TIME OF THE YEAR AGAIN. WE HAVE TO GET COMMISSIONERS COURT APPROVAL TO TAKE THESE STATE-MANDATED CYBERSECURITY COURSE. LAST YEAR, WE HAD ABOUT 212 PEOPLE TAKE THE TRAINING, SO THIS YEAR I DON'T SEE VERY MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE, SO IT'LL BE ABOUT MAYBE NO MORE THAN $1,100 FOR THIS YEAR'S TRAINING. WE JUST NEED COURT APPROVAL. >> COMMISSIONERS? >> MOVE TO APPROVE. >> MOVE APPROVAL BY COMMISSIONER THOMAS, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HORNE. ANY DISCUSSION. NOT ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> OPPOSED, HEARING NONE. MOTION CARRIES. ITEM G9. [G.9 To discuss and take possible action regarding a Caldwell County Burn Ban.] >> DISCUSS AND TAKE POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE CALDWELL COUNTY BURN BAND. HECTOR. >> GOOD MORNING, JUDGE, COMMISSIONER, STAFF, AND GALLERY. OUR FIRE DANGER IS HIGH. WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY RAIN AND WITH THE NORTH WINDS BEEN BLOWING, IT'S DRYING EVERYTHING UP. A LOT OF THE COUNTIES SURROUNDING US ARE EXTENDING THEIR BURN BANDS. THERE'S A SLIGHT CHANCE OF RAIN ON TUESDAY WITH 30% CHANCE, BUT THAT'S VERY SLIM. IT'S GOING TO GET DRIER, AND IT'S GOING TO GET COLDER HERE SOMETIME NEXT WEEK JUST BEFORE CHRISTMAS, SO IT'S GOING TO DRY OUT THE GRASSES AND EVERYTHING AROUND US EVEN MORE. CURRENTLY, THE KBDI NUMBER IS THE MINIMUM IS 470, MAX IS 694 AVERAGE 619 WITH A CHANGE OF PLUS ONE. I'M RECOMMENDING TO COMMISSIONERS COURT THAT WE KEEP THE BURN BAN ON. >> THANK YOU, HECTOR. COMMISSIONERS. >> I MAKE A MOTION TO KEEP THE BURN BAN ON. >> MOTION TO KEEP BURN BAN ON BY COMMISSIONER HORNE. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WESTMORELAND. ANY DISCUSSION? NONE. ALL IN FAVOR SAY, AYE. >> AYE. >> OPPOSED, HEARING NONE. MOTION CARRIES. >> THANK YOU. >> THANKS, HECTOR. ITEM G_10, [G.10 To discuss and take possible action regarding Budget Amendment 03-2026 for moving funds from Contingency to Engineering & Subdivision.] DISCUSS AND TAKE POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING BUDGET AMENDMENT 032026, REMOVING FUNDS FROM CONTINGENCY TO ENGINEERING AND SUBDIVISION , 27000-17191 [INAUDIBLE]. GABBY? >> YES, SIR. THIS IS JUST TO COVER SOME INVOICES THAT CAME THROUGH FOR DOUCET, I BELIEVE. >> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS? >> SO MOVED APPROVAL. [00:15:02] >> MOVED APPROVAL BY COMMISSIONER THERIOT. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> SECOND BY COMMISSIONER THOMAS. ANY DISCUSSION? NONE. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> OPPOSED? HEARING NONE, MOTION CARRIES. [H. EXECUTIVE SESSION] REMAINING ITEMS ARE ITEMS WE WILL POSSIBLY TAKE UP IF WE COME OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION TO VOTE. I DON'T SEE STEVE STILL, SO WE'LL GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AND THEN HOPEFULLY HE'LL BE HERE AND WE'LL COME OUT AND TAKE UP ITEM 6 AFTER THAT. PLEASE DON'T LET ME FORGET BECAUSE I'M USED TO IT [LAUGHTER] EXECUTIVE SESSION. EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE 551087, DISCUSSION AND DELIBERATION WITH COUNCIL ON ECONOMICS OF A PROPOSED INTER-LOCAL AGREEMENT WITH CITY OF LOCKHART FOR THE SEAWILLOW'S TARIFFS, AND WE WILL TAKE THAT ONE UP FIRST VOTE. IF YOU'RE INVOLVED WITH THAT ONE, WE'RE GOING TO RETIRE DOWN TO MY CHAMBERS. PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 551087, DISCUSSION OF DELIBERATION REGARDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH PROJECT IGNITION POINT. PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 551087, DISCUSSION AND DELIBERATION REGARDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH PROJECT TANGLED WEB. PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 551087, DISCUSSION OF DELIBERATION REGARDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH PROJECT TALEN. PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 551087, DISCUSSION AND DELIBERATION REGARDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH PROJECT BUMBLEBEE. WE ARE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION AT 9:16. GOOD MORNING AGAIN. WE'RE GOING TO EXIT EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE 551087, DISCUSSION AND DELIBERATION WITH COUNSEL ON ECONOMICS OF PROPOSED INTER-LOCAL AGREEMENT WITH CITY OF LOCKHART FOR SEAWILLOW TARIFFS; 551087, DISCUSSION OF DELIBERATION REGARDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH PROJECT IGNITION POINT, DISCUSSION OF DELIBERATION REGARDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS WITH PROJECT TANGLED WEB, AND DISCUSSIONS OF ECONOMIC DELIBERATION, NEGOTIATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH PROJECT TALEN AND WITH PROJECT BUMBLEBEE. WE ARE BACK IN REGULAR SESSION AT 9:48. WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND TAKE UP ITEM- >> THERE'S ANOTHER BOX. >> GREAT. >> JUST [INAUDIBLE]. >> [LAUGHTER] SORRY, Y'ALL. WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND TAKE UP ITEM G_11, [G.11 To discuss and take possible action regarding updates on proposed Interlocal Agreement with the City of Lockhart for the Seawillow TIRZ. Commissioners Court may provide further instruction or take necessary action as appropriate.] DISCUSS AND TAKE POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING DATES ON PROPOSED INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH CITY OF LOCKHART FOR THE SEAWILLOW'S TARIFFS. COMMISSIONERS, WOULD LOVE FOR A MOTION TO ENTER INTO FINAL NEGOTIATIONS ON THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT AND THE TARIFFS FOR SEAWILLOW AND BRING THAT BACK FOR YOUR APPROVAL HOPEFULLY BY THE NEXT COMMISSIONERS COURT. >> I WOULD MOVE TO ALLOW THE COUNTY JUDGE AND THE COUNTY ATTORNEY TO PREPARE THOSE DOCUMENTS AND BRING THEM BACK AT THEIR EARLIEST CONVENIENCE. >> THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER THERIOT. MOTION WAS MADE BY COMMISSIONER WESTMORELAND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NONE. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> OPPOSED HEARING NONE. MOTION CARRIES. [Items G.12 - G.15] ITEM G_12 G_13 G_14 G_15. WE WILL NOT BE TAKEN UP, SO I'D LOOK FOR A MOTION TO TABLE THOSE UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE. MOVE MOTION TO TABLE THOSE. UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE BY COMMISSIONER HORNE, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> SECOND BY COMMISSIONER THOMAS. ANY DISCUSSION? NOT IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> OPPOSED HEARING NONE. MOTION CARRIES. [G.6 To discuss and take possible action to review the procedures for the 2026 CAMPO call process. The court may prioritize which projects Caldwell County will submit to MPO/CAMPO.] WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GO BACK TO ITEM G_6 DISCUSSION AND TAKE POSSIBLE ACTION TO REVIEW PROCEDURES FOR THE 2026 CAMPO CALL PROCESS, THE COURT MAY PRIORITIZE WHICH PROJECTS TO MPO CAMPO. STEVE. COME ON UP. >> GOOD MORNING, STEVE DOKE, AMERICAN STRUCTURE POINT, AND AGAIN, MY APOLOGIES, BUT TRAFFIC WAS MISERABLE ON 130, SO GLAD I MADE IT. YOU'LL HAVE I HOPE MY HANDOUT, AND I DON'T WANT TO GO OVER EVERYTHING THAT'S IN IT, BUT I DO WANT TO HIT SOME POINTS THAT NEED TO BE MADE IN Y'ALL'S CONSIDERATION FOR THE PROCESS. [00:20:04] ALL OF THE FUNDING THAT'S IN THE CALL FOR PROJECTS THEY'RE LIMITED, AND YOU HAVE TO BE UNDER THE REALIZATION THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF APPLICATIONS FOR THE FUNDING. MOST OF THE PROJECTS ARE NOT GOING TO BE SELECTED. BE WISE ABOUT WHAT YOU GO FOR BECAUSE IT DOES TAKE TIME AND MONEY TO PREPARE THE APPLICATIONS TO EVEN GET THEM INTO THE PROCESS. ALSO, THEY BECOME FEDERALIZED PROJECTS. YOU'VE GOT ALL THEIR PROCESSES THAT GO ALONG WITH THAT AND MR. DELLA JACKET, SO THE ROLE OF THE TIP AND THE FEDERAL FUNDING. ANY OF THE PROJECTS THAT ARE ELIGIBLE FOR SUBMISSION ARE GOING TO BE INCLUDED IN THE TIP. THEY DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE IN THE TIP, AND THAT'S THE STATE'S TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM. BUT IF IT IS SELECTED FROM THERE, IT WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE TIP AND ULTIMATELY IN THE AIRSTRIP, WHICH MEANS IT'S AVAILABLE FOR FUNDING. THAT'S SOME OF THE PROCESS THAT YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH. LET'S SEE. ANY OF THE PROJECTS IMPLEMENTED BY THE TRANSPORTATION POLICY BOARD AND [INAUDIBLE] YOU'RE PART OF THAT, AM I CORRECT? >> YOU'RE PART OF THE TEAM THAT MAKES THE SELECTION, BUT HAVE TO HAVE A LOCAL SPONSOR, WHICH IN MOST INSTANCES, THAT'S GOING TO BE YOU GUYS AND POTENTIALLY EITHER CITY OF LOCKHART, LURIN, TXDOT. ALL OF THOSE COULD BE ADDITIONAL SPONSORS ASSOCIATED WITH ANY OF THE PROJECTS, AND THEY WILL ALL BE DONE UNDER THE OVERSIGHT AND ADMINISTRATION OF TXDOT. BASICALLY IT BECOMES A TXDOT PROJECT IS WHAT IT BASICALLY BOILS DOWN TO. THERE IS A 20% LOCAL MATCH THAT THE COUNTY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT YOU PAY OUTRIGHT AS PART OF THE PROJECT. SAY THE PROJECT IS A MILLION DOLLAR, YOU'D BE RESPONSIBLE, SAY FOR 200,000 IN THE OTHER 800,000 WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR FUNDING. IT'S A 80 20 SPLIT, YOU PAY FOR 20 STATE PAYS FOR THE OTHER 80. THERE IS ALSO AN ADMINISTRATIVE COST THAT GOES ALONG WITH THAT, AND THAT'S ANOTHER AMOUNT THAT YOU PAY AND IT'S THE ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS ON TEXT DOT SIDE THAT AT THE TIME OF FUNDING, THEY GO THROUGH AN ASSESSMENT OF PROJECT MANAGEMENT REVIEWS AND ALL THAT STUFF AND ASSIGN A FEE FOR THAT, AND YOU PAY THAT UPFRONT SO THAT THEY CAN DRAW THAT DOWN AS THE PROJECT GOES ALONG. IF THEY USE ALL OF IT, SO BE IT, IF THEY DON'T, THEY REIMBURSE YOU ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING THAT THEY DID NOT USE IN THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE PROJECT. >> THAT DOESN'T COUNT TOWARD THE 20%? >> IT'S OVER AND ABOVE THE 20 OVER AND ABOVE THAT 20%. >> THIS IS I'M PROBABLY GOING TO SHOW MY IGNORANCE HERE, BUT LET'S JUST SAY THIS IS A ROAD BOND PROJECT, AND WE'VE GOTTEN IT ALL THE WAY THROUGH. NOT THIS TIME, BUT. IN A FUTURE CALL JUST SO I UNDERSTAND HOW IT WORKS. SAY IT'S ALL THE WAY THROUGH PS&E. WOULD THAT WHAT WE SPENT UP TO THAT POINT, COULD THAT BE CONSIDERED PART OF OUR LOCAL MATCH? >> YES. BASICALLY, SAY IF YOU GO FOR THE ENGINEERING, SOMEBODY NEEDS A FLY S WATER FOR THAT DOG AND THING. >> THAT'S WHY ONE MORE TIME WATER HEATING CORD INTO MY HEAD AND I GOT MY EYE ON [INAUDIBLE]. >> HE MUST LIKE YOU RIGHT. >> [LAUGHTER]. >> BUT ANYWAY, YOUR TYPICAL ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS. I MEAN, THINK ABOUT IT IN THESE CHURCH SAY, AND LET'S JUST USE 142, FOR AN EXAMPLE, RIGHT NOW, YOU GOT $9 MILLION IN THERE FOR ENGINEERING SURFACES. TO TAKE IT ALL THE WAY THROUGH PS&E, YOU HAVE DIFFERENT SUBMITTAL PHASES. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A 60,90,100, AND A FINAL. THEY'RE GOING TO REVIEW THOSE. YOU'RE ALSO GOING TO HAVE PROJECT MEETINGS THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS OF THE PROJECT. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR $9 MILLION, THERE MIGHT BE SAY, AND I'M GOING TO GUESS, PROBABLY 50 TO $100,000 IN ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS BY TEXT DOT BECAUSE OF THEIR STAFF DOING THEIR REVIEWS WITH THEIR SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS AND ALL OF THAT AT ALL THE DIFFERENT PROJECT PHASES PLUS THEY ARE EFFECTIVELY ON THE STATE SIDE MANAGING THE PROJECT ITSELF. ANYWAY, THAT'S THE ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS THAT YOU WOULD UNDERTAKE. HERE'S THE OTHER THING. UNTIL YOUR ADVANCE FUNDING AGREEMENT, AND THAT'S THE MECHANISM THAT YOU ENTER INTO WITH THE STATE, UNTIL THAT IS EXECUTED AND ISSUED AND A NOTICE TO PROCEED IS ALSO ISSUED, ANY EFFORTS PRIOR TO THAT ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR REIMBURSEMENT. [00:25:02] THERE ARE SEVERAL WAYS WE CAN TALK ABOUT THESE AS WE GET A LITTLE DEEPER INTO THIS, BUT YOU COULD LOOK AT RIGHT NOW, WHAT ARE WE DOING ON 142 AND IN THE OTHER PROJECTS? WE'RE DOING SCHEMATICS RIGHT NOW. WE STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PS&E PHASE. SO GO THROUGH, DO THE SCHEMATICS, GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, DECIDES THE PROJECTS YOU WANT TO GO AFTER AND LOOK FOR FUNDING FOR THE PS&E DEVELOPMENT AND OR IF THERE'S STILL ENVIRONMENTAL ASPECTS OF THE PROJECT, GO AFTER THAT FUNDING. YOU'RE STILL PUSHING THE PROJECT FORWARD, AND THEN FROM THERE, BY THE TIME YOU DO ALL THE OTHER ADMINISTRATIVE STUFF, YOU'RE READY FOR THE PS&E, OR YOU'RE STILL WORKING YOUR WAY TOWARD IT. SO THAT'S ONE WAY TO LOOK AT THE POTENTIAL PROCESS OF GOING THROUGH ALL THIS. ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS, AS PART OF THAT ADMINISTRATIVE PROGRAM, WE'RE DOING A LOT OF REPORTING EVEN ON THE ENGINEERING SIDE BECAUSE THEY WANT TO SEE SPECIFIC PROGRESS BEING MADE ON PROJECTS, AND IT'S GOT A LOT TO DO WITH THE PROGRAM WAY BACK IN HISTORY, AND I'LL TELL YOU BECAUSE I ACTUALLY HAD A COUPLE OF PROJECTS BACK WHEN I WAS AT CITY OF SAN MARCOS THAT DID NOT SHOW PROGRESS. THE FUNDING WAS HELD FOR YEARS. THEY DON'T ALLOW THAT ANYMORE. THEY FORCE YOU TO DO THAT, OR THE FUNDS ARE WITHDRAWN. AS LONG AS YOU'RE MAKING GOOD PROGRESS AND YOU CAN SHOW IT, THEY'RE GOING TO BE BEHIND YOU 100% AND PAYING THOSE BILLS. THE FUNDING PROCESS. AGAIN, ALL THE DOLLARS THAT YOU GET REIMBURSED, YOU SPEND THOSE UPFRONT, YOU PAY THEM, YOU SUBMIT THAT FOR REIMBURSEMENT. THEN THEY REIMBURSE YOU, AND IT'S USUALLY IT'S PROBABLY GOT A LAG TIME OF A COUPLE OF MONTHS TO THREE MONTHS. BUT OVER TIME, YOU DO GET IT ALL BACK. YOU SPEND THE DOLLARS UPFRONT, GO THROUGH THE REIMBURSEMENT PROCESS, AND THE STATE AND THE FEDS PAY YOU BACK. SO YOU ARE SPENDING THAT MONEY UP FRONT, THE 20%, THE ADMINISTRATIVE COST, AND EVEN ON A MONTHLY BASIS. BUT YOU'RE MAKING THOSE APPLICATIONS, AND THAT'S WHEN THE FUNDING COMES BACK TO YOU. THERE ARE THREE DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCES. THEY HAVE THE SURFACE TRANSPORTATION BLOCK GRANT, WHICH THAT'S THE BIGGEST PROGRAM ALWAYS IS THE BIGGEST PROGRAM BECAUSE IT'S USUALLY FOR CONSTRUCTION OF IMPROVEMENTS, BUT IT ALSO ALLOWS FOR PLANNING AND DESIGN, THE PS&E PHASES, AND EVEN ENVIRONMENTAL. IT COVERS MORE GROUND THAN JUST ABOUT ANY OTHER, AND THERE IS OVER $330 MILLION IN THAT PROGRAM. MAY SOUND LIKE A LOT, AND IT IS A LOT. BUT THINK ABOUT THE SIX COUNTY AREA THAT'S COMPETING FOR ALL OF THIS. IT'S A PRETTY TIGHT DOLLAR AMOUNT. THERE'S ALSO THE TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATIVE SET ASIDE, AND THAT TYPICALLY IS FOR SMALLER PROJECT SPECIALIZED PROJECTS, AND ONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT I THINK WE MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY IN THE MEETING THAT WE HAD WITH CAMPO HERE, LOCKHART IS LOOKING AT DOING SOME SIDEWALKS. THAT WOULD BE A PERFECT PROJECT TO GO FORWARD UNDER THAT, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL WOULD CONSIDER SPONSORING THAT OR JUST BEING A PART OF LOCKHART APPLICATION. THEN THE LAST ONE IS THE CARBON REDUCTION PROGRAM. THAT ONE WOULD BE A REAL STRETCH, BUT THERE ARE A COUPLE OF PROJECTS THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED, AND WE'LL GET INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT, BUT NOT ONE THAT I'M GOING TO OR I THINK WE WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND PURSUING. >> SPONSORS, AS I MENTIONED, OBVIOUSLY, YOU GUYS, YOU HAVE TEXT. IT COULD EVEN BE A LOCAL MUNICIPALITY, SAY FOR 142 OR FM20, THE RELOCATION, OR ANY OF THE OTHER PROJECTS, IT COULD BE LOCKHART, IT COULD BE LU LING, ALONG WITH YOU GUYS AND THE STATE. THE MORE SPONSORS THAT YOU HAVE RELATIVE TO THE PROGRAM, THE HIGHER THE PROJECT IS GOING TO SCORE. YOU EVEN HAVE SH130 THAT COULD BE A SPONSOR FOR 142. THAT'S ANOTHER ENTITY THAT YOU COULD ADD TO ENHANCE THE SCORING OF, SAY, 142 AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT SAY 2720. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT INTERSECTS 130 RIGHT NOW, I THINK IT TIES INTO 142. POTENTIAL FUNDING 142, DO THE ENTIRE LIMITS ABOUT 9.9 MILLION THAT INCLUDES THE EAST PART TO WINDSOR, OR YOU COULD EVEN GO FOR JUST A SMALLER SEGMENT OF THAT. BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE MAY POTENTIALLY WANT TO CONSIDER IS LOOKING AT 142 FROM WINDSOR TO BORCHAR AND ACCELERATING THAT PORTION OF THE PROJECT BECAUSE OF THE SUPPORT OF 130. THAT'S JUST AN ALTERNATIVE TO CONSIDER. ANOTHER ONE IS COUNTY ROAD 238 OF WILLIAM PETTIS, [00:30:02] AND THAT'S 5.7 MILLION AND THE WAY THAT ONE WOULD COMPETE IS BECAUSE REGIONAL CONNECTIVITY BECAUSE YOU ALSO HAVE THE HAYES COUNTY PORTION, AND IT PROVIDES A LINK FROM I35-130. THAT'S WHAT WOULD MAKE IT A GOOD VIABLE PROJECT TO CONSIDER. MENTIONED HAD US INCLUDE 2720 BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE LOCAL DEVELOPMENT THAT'S HAPPENING THAT WOULD MAKE IT COMPETE AS WELL. MENTIONED FM20 REALIGNMENT, JUST BECAUSE IT'S MAKING A NEW CONNECTION THAT GETS RID OF SOME TRAFFIC ISSUES THAT YOU'VE GOT, THE 183 TURN LANE ADDITION IN LU LING, AND THEN ALSO THE MAGNOLIA AVENUE TURN LANE ADDITION RIGHT THERE IN THE HEART OF DOWNTOWN LU LING. AS I MENTIONED, STATE TRANSPORTATION BLOCK GRANT. WHAT ARE THE ELIGIBLE ACTIVITIES? OBVIOUSLY, CONSTRUCTION. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE READY WITH ANY OF THESE PROJECTS TO GO AFTER CONSTRUCTION DOLLARS. IT'S MOST LIKELY IT'S THE PLANNING, THE ENGINEERING, AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL. THAT IS MOSTLY WHAT WE'RE LIKELY GOING TO GO AFTER. THE TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATIVE SET ASIDE THAT I MENTIONED OUT, THAT'S A CARVE OUT OF THE SURFACE TRANSPORTATION BLOCK GRANT, SMALLER-SCALE PROJECTS, THE SIDEWALK PROJECT, POSSIBLY THAT LOCKHART IS DOING. THAT CRP, I THINK THAT'S JUST A TOUGH ONE, BUT IT'S THERE. WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT FURTHER BECAUSE AGAIN, MAGNOLIA AVENUE, WE COULD POSSIBLY MAKE A CASE FOR GETTING THE TRAFFIC OUT OF THERE, THAT IT'S REDUCING THE CARBON OUTPUT AND STUFF LIKE THAT. BUT THAT'S TO ME, THAT'S PROBABLY A REAL STRETCH TO GO AFTER THAT ONE. THE PROCESS. NUMBER 1, THEY LOOK AT ELIGIBILITY OF THE PROJECTS. IT'S REALLY ABOUT, CAN THE PROJECT COMPLETE ALL THE ASPECTS THAT YOU'RE SEEKING FUNDING FOR. ALL THE PROJECTS THAT WE MENTIONED BECAUSE OF WHERE ALL ARE, ALREADY HAVE ENGAGED THE CONSULTANTS THEY'RE UNDERWAY THAT POTENTIALLY AND I THINK MOST OF THESE, THE PS&E PHASE IS WHAT'S GOING TO BE THE BEST OPPORTUNITY FOR Y'ALL TO GO AFTER BECAUSE YOU'RE ALREADY DOING THE PLANNING ASPECTS OF ALL THESE PROJECTS THAT DETAILS WHAT'S GOING TO GO TO CONSTRUCTION ULTIMATELY AND WHAT'S INVOLVED IN THE DESIGN PROCESS. ELIGIBILITY IS ONE OF THE VERY FIRST THINGS THAT THEY LOOK AT, AND THEN NEXT IS READINESS, WHICH ALSO DETERMINES THE REGIONAL VALUE OF A PROJECT. WE KNOW 142 IS A GREAT PROJECT BECAUSE IT CONNECTS THE AREAS ALONG 80 BACK UP HERE AND TO 130. 2720 GETS YOU BETWEEN HIGHWAY 21 AND 130 AS WELL, AND THEN THE OTHER ONES HAVE MORE LOCAL EFFECTS. THEY ALL HAVE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO FIT VERY WELL UNDER THAT READINESS ASPECT. THE OTHER THING IS THE READINESS ASPECT, THEY REVIEW 13 DIFFERENT AREAS. IT'S A VERY DETAILED LOOK. THEY LOOK AT ELIGIBILITY MANAGEMENT, WHICH WHEN YOU LOOK AT MANAGEMENT, IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE SOME THINGS THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT EVEN ON ALL SIDE THAT YOU ALL ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DO ALONG WITH THE CONSULTANT, THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT, THE SCHEDULE OF THE PROJECT, THEY WANT TO LOOK AT PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING TO MOVE QUICKLY IN MOST ASPECTS. THEY WANT THINGS THAT WILL HAPPEN AND GET DONE IN THE FUNDING PERIOD, WHICH THEY'RE ON THREE-YEAR CYCLE. THE PS&E FITS WELL IN ALL OF THOSE. THEY'LL LOOK AT BENEFIT EVALUATION. THEY'LL DO A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS. THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK AT A PERFORMANCE-BASED CRITERIA FOR THE DIFFERENT PROJECTS. HOW DOES IT BENEFIT THE OVERALL REGION? THEY'RE ALSO GOING TO DO A COST-BENEFIT EVALUATION OF EVERY ONE OF THESE PROJECTS, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE AS WE GET THROUGH HERE. THIS IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES ABOUT HOW DIFFICULT IT IS FOR THE PROJECTS TO GET SELECTED BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF THE DIFFERENT COUNTIES, MUNICIPAL ENTITIES THAT ARE ALSO GOING TO BE SUBMITTING TO THE PROGRAM. CAMPO IS GOING TO BASICALLY RANK EVERY ONE OF THESE PROJECTS FROM ONE TO HOWEVER MANY GET APPLIED. THE FIRST PROJECT IN THE ENTIRE PROGRAM OBVIOUSLY IS GOING TO GET FUNDING UNLESS IT EXCEEDS $330 MILLION. WE DON'T HAVE A PROJECT IN THIS FUNDING CYCLE THAT'S GOING TO ABSORB ALL OF THAT. BASICALLY, WHAT THEY DO IS THEY GO DOWN THE LESS. LOOK AT NUMBER 1, IS THE FUNDING THERE? NUMBER 2, IS THE FUNDING THERE? AS YOU GET DOWN INTO 4, 5, [00:35:02] 06, OR IF IT'S OUT AT 20. EVEN THOUGH IT'S THE NEXT PROJECT ON THE LIST, IF THERE'S NOT ADEQUATE REMAINING FUNDS AVAILABLE, THEY WILL SKIP IT AND GO TO THE NEXT ONE THAT STILL FITS UNDER THE DOLLAR CAP. THAT'S ONE OF THE OTHER RISKS THAT YOU HAVE WITH THE PROGRAM. DOING THE ENGINEERING VERSUS CONSTRUCTION BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE BIGGEST ONE IS 142 AT 9.9 MILLION POTENTIALLY, THOSE ARE SMALLER DOLLAR VALUES VERSUS SAY GOING AFTER CONSTRUCTION DOLLARS, WHICH THAT WOULD GO UP INTO THE $70 MILLION RANGE. THAT'S WHEN IT STARTS GETTING DIFFICULT. THAT'S ONE OF THE OTHER RISKS. MENTIONED THAT THERE'S SOME OF THAT CALDWELL COUNTY IS GOING TO HAVE TO DO IN ORDER TO QUALIFY AND ADMINISTER ANY OF THESE PROJECTS. SOMEBODY ON THE CALDWELL COUNTY STAFF IS GOING TO HAVE TO BECOME CERTIFIED IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT PROJECT PROCEDURES. I HAVE LGPP CERTIFICATION, AND MATTER OF FACT, I'M GETTING MY UPDATE IN BEGINNING OF APRIL, AND THEY HAVE THESE ON A REGULAR BASIS THROUGHOUT THE STATE EACH YEAR. BUT IN THE AUSTIN MARKET, THE HOUSTON MARKET, AND THE DFW MARKET, AND FOR THAT MATTER, SAN ANTONIO, BECAUSE THOSE AREAS ARE SO LARGE IN LOCKHART, UNFORTUNATELY, IS CONSIDERED PART OF THE AUSTIN MARKET THEY WANT YOU TO ATTEND THESE IN PERSON, UNLESS YOU CAN SUBSTANTIATE A VERY GOOD REASON TO DO IT ONLINE BECAUSE IN THE OTHER MARKETS, THEY'RE SO SMALL, THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE TO SIT FOR ANY ONE OF THESE AT A LOCATION AND DO IT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I CAN DO IS I CAN SEND YOU ALL THE LINK TO WHERE TO GET REGISTERED FOR THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT PROJECT PROCEDURES, AND I CAN TELL YOU THE ONE IN APRIL, I'M PRETTY SURE HAS ALREADY FILLED OUT BECAUSE ONE OF THE GUYS IN MY OFFICE THAT IS GOING TO WORK ON THE 142 PROJECTS. HE WAS THE SECOND OF THE LAST PERSON, SO THERE WAS ONLY ONE SLOT LEFT FOR APRIL 1ST. BUT ANYWAY, YOU HAVE TIME TO GET THAT DONE. PHASE COMBINATIONS. WE TALKED ABOUT PLANNING AND ENGINEERING DESIGN IS ONE OPPORTUNITY THAT YOU CAN GO AFTER. YOU ARE ALREADY GOING TO BE IN THE PLANNING PHASES OF EVERY ONE OF THESE BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT THE SCHEMATICS. THAT'S BASICALLY THE PLANNING PROCESS. IT'D BE A COMBINATION OF SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE ALREADY SPENDING DOLLARS ON, AND I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND STOPPING ANY OF THE PROJECTS RIGHT NOW. LET THEM PROCEED, AND UNTIL, AGAIN, AS YOU GET YOUR AFA IN PLACE, AND YOU GET YOUR NOTICE TO PROCEED. ALL THE DOLLARS THAT YOU SPENT PRIOR TO THAT POINT IN THE PROJECT PROCESS ARE NO LONGER ELIGIBLE FOR REIMBURSEMENT. THAT'S JUST A RISK, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU DON'T GO AFTER THAT ASPECT OF THE PROJECT, BECAUSE EVEN LIKE ON 142, WE HAVE AN EIGHT-MONTH SCHEDULE DURATION ON THE PLANNING CYCLE. THE SELECTION IS GOING TO BE DONE, OR THE APPLICATIONS ARE DUE AT THE END OF JANUARY. I DON'T KNOW HOW QUICKLY CAMPO MAKES THEIR SELECTIONS, BUT I THINK THEY DO IT IN A PRETTY TIMELY FASHION IN 30-60 DAYS AND THEN FROM THERE, THEY START ALLOCATING THE FUNDING, AND THEN FROM THERE, SAY ONE OF THE PROJECTS QUALIFIES, YOUR NEXT STEP IS GO OUT AND GET THAT AFA, GET THAT IN PLACE. THAT'S GOING TO TAKE AGAIN SEVERAL MONTHS, BUT YOU STILL MIGHT HIT THE END OF THE PLANNING PROCESS. BUT ANOTHER ASPECT OF THAT IS YOU CAN DO ENGINEERING DESIGN IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL ON 142, AND I WOULD VENTURE ON PROBABLY WILLIAM PETTIS, MAYBE THE SMALLER PROJECTS, NOT SO MUCH THAT ENVIRONMENTAL ASPECT IS ACTUALLY GOING TO GO INTO THE PS&E PHASE. THAT WOULD MAKE SOME SENSE. YES, SIR. >> STEVE, THANK YOU FOR THAT SUMMARY, BUT IN LOOKING AT THE PROJECTS THAT YOU HAVE LISTED, FOR INSTANCE, ON 142, YOU HAVE THE ENTIRE LENGTH AND THEN FROM BORCHAR TO WINDSOR. THE 9.9 MILLION AND THE 3.4 MILLION ARE, I ASSUME, TO COMPLETE THE DESIGN AND ENVIRONMENTAL FOR THAT PROJECT? >> YES, CORRECT. >> AREN'T WE DOING THAT WITH OUR BOND? >> WHAT ANY OF THESE PROJECTS WOULD DO, ED, WOULD ALLOW YOU TO RETAIN THAT FUNDING AND USE THAT TO [00:40:01] GO OUT AND PURCHASE RIGHT OF WAY AND DO UTILITY ADJUSTMENTS. YOU STILL HAVE THAT ASPECT. >> WHY DON'T WE TAKE A BIG SWING, LIKE FROM BORCHAR TO WINDSOR, AND USE OUR BOND MONEY FOR WHAT IT WAS INTENDED TO COMPLETE THE ENVIRONMENTAL AND THE DESIGN, AND ACTUALLY REQUEST CONSTRUCTION FUNDING? >> THAT'S ALWAYS A CONSIDERATION. >> COMMISSIONER, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT WAS A LARGE DRIVER OF THE, THAT WAS MY INTERPRETATION OF THE BOND WAS TO LOAD THE QUEUE SO TO SPEAK WITH PROJECTS THROUGH PSNE THAT WE COULD THEN GO OUT FOR CONSTRUCTION FUNDING ON A CAMPO CALL. THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING IF I'M MISTAKEN, THAT'S MY FAULT. >> I THOUGHT I REMEMBERED ON 142. NO, YOU'RE YOU'RE EXACTLY THAT'S MY IMPRESSION ALSO IS BJ. THEN IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A LOT OF RIGHT AWAY ACQUISITION REQUIRED ON 142. >> DEPENDS ON WHICH PIECE YOU'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT. FROM WINDSOR TO 130, THERE'S THREE AFFECTED PARCELS. RIGHT NOW WITH THE CURRENT RIGHT OF WAY, THE LIKELIHOOD OF EVEN NEEDING ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY IS VERY LOW. FROM 130 TO BORCHAR? YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER, WE'RE GOING TO FUNCTIONALLY WHAT AMOUNTS TO SIX-LANE SECTION DIVIDED RIGHT OF WAY WIDTH THERE 150 FEET PLUS. ONCE YOU GET ON THE WEST SIDE OF 130, I THINK FOR THE ENTIRE LENGTH TIL YOU GET TO BORCHAR THERE IS RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION. HOW MUCH IS THERE AT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD? I CAN'T TELL YOU. BUT YES, THERE IS RIGHT-OF-WAY ACQUISITION THERE. IS IT GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD ABSORB, SAY $3.4 MILLION? EVEN HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAZARD A GUESS RIGHT NOW. MOST OF THAT'S AG. BUT BECAUSE OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE COUNTY, YOU ALL ARE STARTING TO SEE ALL THE DEVELOPMENT. THE PRICES ARE STARTING TO JUMP UP QUITE A BIT. IT'D BE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK AT AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO YOU AS PART OF THE PROJECT EVALUATION PROCESS. WE'RE STILL TALKING TO CAMPO. WILL HAS BEEN PARTICIPATING IN ALL THE PLANNING SESSIONS, AND THAT WOULD BE A GOOD QUESTION FOR RYAN, IN ASKING HIM, AS A MATTER OF FACT, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I PLAN TO ASK HIM NOW THAT YOU BROUGHT THAT UP. >> OPEN TO WHAT Y'ALL'S THOUGHTS ARE, BUT I THINK IN THE BOND, WE HAVE PLAN FUNDING FOR THE COMPLETION OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL AND THE DESIGN. >> YES, CORRECT. >> ALL THE WAY FROM 80 TO WINDSOR? >> YES. >> IF WE KEPT THAT BOND MONEY TARGETED TOWARD DOING THAT AND THEN APPLY FOR ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION MONEY FROM BORCHAR TO WINDSOR, AT LEAST, THAT WOULD COVER THE MOST CRITICAL AREA. >> THAT'S DEFINITELY AN ALTERNATE. YES. >> BECAUSE MY FEELING IS WHEN YOU BOIL ALL THIS DOWN, IF WE DID GO FOR THE PS&E ON SAY, THE 9.9, ALL WE'RE REALLY DOING IS GETTING REIMBURSED FOR MONEY THAT WE ISSUED BONDS FOR TO GET PAID BACK. BUT THEN MY QUESTION WOULD BE, WHAT CAN WE REALLY DO WITH THE 9.9 SOMEWHERE ELSE? CAN WE COBBLE TOGETHER ENOUGH FUNDS BY GETTING REIMBURSED FROM CAMPO BACK ON THESE ELIGIBLE PROJECTS TO THEN GO DO CONSTRUCTION ELSEWHERE THAT WE EITHER WITHIN THE BOND PROGRAM OR NOT WITHIN THE BOND PROGRAM? I DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD, AND JUDGE PROBABLY KNOWS BETTER THAN I DO, BUT WHAT OTHER PROJECTS WE COULD POTENTIALLY POOL ENOUGH FUNDING FOR IT TO ACTUALLY MOVE THE NEEDLE AND DO CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS AT THAT POINT. MY QUESTION IS WHAT'S THE PHILOSOPHY OF THE COURT? IS IT TO JUST DO PLANS AND LOAD THE QUEUE AND THEN TRY TO GET SOME OF THAT MONEY BACK AND SEE WHERE WE'RE AT LATER OR IS IT TO ACTUALLY TRY TO GET CONSTRUCTION FUNDING ENCUMBERED TO DO THESE PROJECTS? >> THERE'S TWO THINGS AT PLAY THERE. NUMBER 1 IS THIS CALLS, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT RIGHT NOW AND BY THE NEXT CALL IN THREE YEARS, ALL OF THESE WILL BE TEED UP. >> THAT'S TRUE. THE QUESTION THEN BECOMES IN MY MIND, WHY DO WE WANT TO TEE UP FOR THIS CALL THAT WE FEEL CERTAIN WE CAN GET OR NOT AS CERTAIN AS YOU CAN AT CAMPO. FOR ME, ANYTHING WE CAN DO, WE'VE GOT A JOB THAT'S JUST THROUGH STUDY, BUT NOT THROUGH PS&E, IF WE CAN GET THE PS&E FUNDING TO TAKE THAT ONE STEP FURTHER SO THAT [00:45:04] THE NEXT CALL WE'RE READY TO GO FOR CONSTRUCTION FUNDS, IN MY MIND, THAT'S THE WAY TO GO. >> GETTING BACK TO WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, AGAIN, IT'S A THREE YEAR WINDOW, AS THE JUDGE IS SAYING. PARTICULARLY 142, THE PROJECT AS A WHOLE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO PLUS YEARS, SCHEMATIC PS&E, THE REVIEW PROCESS WITH TXDOT, YOU'D BE NEAR THE END OF THE FUNDING PERIOD BY THE TIME YOU'D ACTUALLY GET TO THE POINT OF NEEDING THE CONSTRUCTION DOLLARS. IT IS NOT GOING TO BE A LOCAL LET. IT'S ON A STATE FACILITY AND THAT DAY TXDOT IS GOING TO WANT TO LET IT. WHEN YOU GET INTO 100% AND IT'S APPROVED TO LET, THEN FROM THERE AT THAT POINT, IT GOES INTO THE AVAILABILITY OF WHEN CAN IT BE LET? THE RISK THEN BECOMES THE WINDOW THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR THOSE DOLLARS TO BE ENGAGED IN EITHER MOSTLY SPENT OR IN THE PROCESS OF BEING SPENT, YOU'RE JUST NOW HITTING THE POINT OF GOING TO CONSTRUCTION. THAT'S THE RISK ON THAT ONE. THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY MOVE IT DOWN AND MAYBE NOT EVEN HIT THE ABILITY TO GET FUNDED. IT'D BE SO FAR DOWN. AGAIN, IT'S A CONSIDERATION. BUT I THINK AS THE JUDGE IS SAYING, THAT'S A GREAT WAY TO LOOK AT IT FROM A TURNING STANDPOINT. >> WELL, CAMPO, THEY KNOW ABOUT OUR BOND, THEY KNOW WE'RE MOVING FORWARD ON THESE PROJECTS WHEN THEY'RE COMPLETE. >> YES, SIR. >> THE PS&E ON THESE PROJECTS AND HAVE THEM READY. WE'RE APPLYING FOR GRANTS JUST TO OFFSET, JUST TO USE OUR MONEY TO DO SOMETHING ELSE WITH. WOULD THAT HURT US ON SCORING? >> NO. I DON'T I DON'T BELIEVE SO. >> YEAH. BECAUSE THERE WOULD BE SOME ADVANTAGE IF WE COULD GET SOME OF THAT FUNDING FOR SAY, 142 TO GET US THROUGH PS&E, THAT STRETCHES OUR BOND MONEY OUT A LITTLE BIT, AND WE COULD THEN, COMMISSIONER WESTMORELAND'S POINT, MAYBE DO SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO PUT INTO CONSTRUCTION A LITTLE SOONER, ONE OF THE SMALLER PROJECTS. >> YEAH. >> THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE A ONE ON THE SMALLER SIDE. I GUESS MY OTHER QUESTION WELL, GO AHEAD. >> NO, I'M FINE. >> I GUESS MY OTHER QUESTION WAS, YOU SAID THAT, OBVIOUSLY, IT FEDERALIZES EVERY PROJECT THROUGH CAMPO AND I DON'T HAVE A REAL ISSUE WITH ANY OF THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL STATE FACILITIES, MOSTLY WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE WILLIAM PETTUS BECAUSE THAT'S CURRENTLY A COUNTY FACILITY ONLY. >> WHEN YOU BRING THAT UP, THERE'S A VALID POINT BECAUSE IT SLOWS THINGS WAY DOWN. >> YES. IT DOES. >> I MIGHT GET A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT LET'S JUST KEEP USING 142 AS AN EXAMPLE, IT'S A BIG PROJECT. WE GET CAMPO TO GET US THROUGH PS&E, BUT IT DRAGS ON AND THEN WE GOT ANOTHER CALL AND WE'RE NOT QUITE READY. I GET CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. >> LET ME JUST JUMP IN THERE REAL QUICK, I APOLOGIZE FOR JUMPING IN. BUT THE WAY THAT CAMPO LOOKS AT IT, PARTICULARLY IN THE FUNDING CYCLES, BY THE NEXT FUNDING CALL, WHICH WE'RE IN '26, THAT'LL BE '29, WE SHOULD BE THROUGH 60. I WOULD SURMISE WE'RE EASILY AT 90% POSSIBLY GOING INTO 100. YOU'RE IN THAT ZONE THAT YOU NEED TO BE IN AS FAR AS COMPLETION IN THAT NEXT CALL. UNLESS SOMETHING, WITH THE WAY THE PROJECT HAS ALREADY BEEN ANALYZED AND THE CONDITION THAT IT'S IN, I DON'T SEE AN ISSUE WITH DOING THAT AT ALL, THE RISK IS VERY LOW, I GUESS. >> THAT PUTS MY MIND AT EASE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT I DON'T KNOW, SO I WORRY ABOUT. >> HERE'S THE THING THAT I WILL SAY ON TXDOT SIDE. THEY AS PART OF THE PROJECT REVIEWS, THEIR TYPICAL SCHEDULE PERIOD FOR THEM WE MAKE OUR SUBMITTAL, THEY GET THEIR SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS TO REVIEW IT, THEY'RE TYPICALLY GETTING BACK TO YOU IN SIDE OF SIX WEEKS. AND ESPECIALLY IN THE DESIGN PROCESS, EVEN WHEN WE MAKE THESE SUBMITTALS, WE DON'T STOP. WE'RE CONTINUING TO PUSH ON BECAUSE DURING ALL OF THAT TIME PERIOD THAT WE'RE DOING THE PROJECT, WE'RE HAVING REGULAR MEETINGS WITH TXDOT STAFF AS PART OF THE PROJECT. THEY'RE WELL AWARE OF THE DESIGN, HOW IT'S PROGRESSING, AND THEY KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO MOVE ON. [00:50:03] UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING TRULY ERR, WHICH I HAVEN'T EXPERIENCED THAT BEFORE, WHERE RECOMMENDED THAT YOU STOP, I HAVEN'T EXPERIENCED THAT ONE YET, AND I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR A FEW YEARS. >> I THINK I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER WESTMORELAND AND THE JUDGE ABOUT WILLIAM PETTUS. MAYBE THAT'S NOT ONE THAT WE TRY TO FEDERALIZE AT THIS AT THIS TIME. THEY ALREADY HAVE MONEY THERE TO GET IT READY, TO GET EVERYTHING DONE. >> THAT'S THE ONLY ONE ON THE LIST THAT JUMPS OFF THE PAGE AT ME. IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE REST OF THEM. >> YEAH. >> THESE OTHER PROJECTS LIKE THE FM 20 REALIGNMENT, US 183 TURN LANE ADDITION, MAGNOLIA AVENUE, TURN LANE ADDITION, SHOULD WE ALSO PUT IN APPLICATIONS FOR THOSE? >> THE WORST THING THEY CAN DO IS DENY BASE. >> DROP THE BOTTOM THEY DON'T LIKE IT. >> YEAH. FOR THOSE SPECIFICALLY OF THE 20 REALIGNMENT IN LOCKHART, IN THE BOND PROGRAM, THAT WAS THROUGH CONSTRUCTION ALREADY. >> YEAH. >> IF WE DO PER SAY GET AWARDED, BEST CASE SCENARIO FOR THAT, THAT WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT CHUNK DOWN THE ROAD TO PUT SOME RAIL. >> LET ME JUST REAL QUICK THROW THIS IN ON 20. THIS IS PROBABLY THE SINGLE BIGGEST ISSUE THAT YOU HAVE ON THAT PROJECT. IT'S NOT THE DESIGN UTILITY RELOCATIONS, IT'S THE FACT THAT THE RE-ROUTING LIKELY GOES THROUGH A FEDERAL HOUSING PROJECT. THERE'S GOING TO BE BELLS, WHISTLE, STRINGS ATTACHED TO ALL THAT THAT IN THE PROCESS, THAT IS THE ONE THING THAT'S GOING TO BOG THAT PROJECT DOWN MOST. THAT'S PROBABLY THE BIGGEST RISK THAT THAT PROJECT HAS, IS JUST THAT ONE ASPECT. OTHER THAN THAT, IT SHOULD BE A RELATIVELY, AND I'M NOT GOING TO SAY CLEAN DESIGN BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT ALSO THE TRANSMISSION LINES THROUGH THERE, BUT LOOKING AT THE CORRIDORS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO YOU TO MAKE THAT PROJECT WORK. >> IT'S GOT TO BE DONE. >> YEAH. >> IT'S ONE OF THE SINGLE BIGGEST COMPLAINTS WE GET. >> YEAH. I'D SAY THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO HURT TO APPLY FOR IT BUT THAT IS ONE ASPECT. BUT IF YOU GET THE FUNDING FOR THAT ONE, I'D SAY FOR THE ENGINEERING, IT'D PROBABLY BE A BETTER USE OF AN APPLICATION TO DO THAT BECAUSE YOU KNOW IT'S GOING TO TAKE EASILY THESE NEXT THREE YEARS JUST BECAUSE OF RESOLUTION OF THOSE ISSUES, UTILITY RELOCATIONS, BUT GOING THROUGH THAT HOUSING PROJECT OVER THERE. SORRY, GO AHEAD. >> I WAS GOING TO ASK IF TERRY MCCOY COULD COME UP, DO YOU MIND? >> NO, NOT AT ALL. >> TERRY, WOULD YOU MID COMING UP? >> HE KNOWS BETTER THAN ANYBODY. >> YEAH. [LAUGHTER]. >> HI, TERRY. >> HE FORGOTTEN MORE ABOUT TRANSPORTATION THAN I'LL EVER KNOW. >> I HAVE FORGOTTEN A LOT. THAT'S THAT'S TRUE. I AM TERRY MCCOY AND RETIRED TXDOT AUSTIN DISTRICT ENGINEER BACK IN 2019, AND ALSO FORMER MEMBER OF THE CAMPBELL POLICY BOARD. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO BE HERE. JUST HERE TO HELP ANY ANY WAY THAT I CAN, COMMISSIONER, JUDGE. >> TERRY AND I HAVE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT 2720, AND WE'VE TALKED TO THE DISTRICT, WE'VE TALKED TO OUR AREA ENGINEER, TUCKER. THE DISTRICT ENGINEER TUCKER AND OUR AREA ENGINEERS AND CAMPO. THEY ARE IN AGREEMENT FOR US IF WE SPONSOR AN APPLICATION ON THAT ROAD THAT THEY'LL ASSIST IN PUTTING TOGETHER THAT APPLICATION WITH ALL THE NEEDS THAT IT HAS TO GET IT READY FOR WHEN THERE IS A CONSTRUCTION FUND AVAILABLE THAT IT WOULD BE READY. TERRY HAS, I DON'T WANT TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, BUT YOU'VE OFFERED TO DO THAT, TO WORK ON THAT APPLICATION THROUGH YOUR COMPANY? >> YES. THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT, COMMISSIONER. WE'D BE PROUD TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY AND WITH TXDOT AND WITH CAMPO TO COMPLETE THAT APPLICATION AT NO COST TO THE COUNTY. >> VERY GOOD. >> THAT SOUNDS GOOD. >> YEAH. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR. >> WE'RE AT THE POINT I THINK OF MAKING A MOTION TO PRIORITIZE THIS WORK [00:55:03] AND GIVE SOME MARCHING ORDERS TO STEVE AND TO PROBABLY TERRY ON 2720. COMMISSIONER, SO LOOK FOR A FORMULATION. I GOT THE LIST. WE JUST TALKED ABOUT TAKING WILLIAM PETTUS OFF, BUT GOT 142 TO WINDSOR, 2720, FM20 REALIGNMENT, 183 TURN LANE AND MAGNOLIA AVENUE. I MAY HAVE MISSED SOMETHING. >> THE ONLY QUESTION I SEE ON ARE YOU ALL ASKING FOR CLARIFICATION ON 142 TO EITHER SUBMIT FOR THE ENTIRETY OR JUST ABORT IT TO WINDSOR, STEVE? >> MY RECOMMENDATION TO YOU WOULD BE TO SUBMIT IT IN A COUPLE OF ALTERNATES. DO IT AS ONE AS THE WHOLE THING, AND THEN DO THE BOTCHER TO WINDSOR. I WOULD DO IT BOTH WAYS. >> OKAY. >> WELL, AT THAT POINT, I'M JUST GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT CAN BE AMENDED AS REQUESTED. >> MINUS WILLIAM PETTUS. >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE LIST AS RECOMMENDED AS RECOMMENDED BY AMERICAN STRUCTURE POINT, MINUS COUNTY ROAD 238, WILLIAM PETTUS ROAD, AND TO ALLOW SH 142 SUBMITTAL TO BE BROKEN OUT INTO MULTIPLE APPLICATIONS AS NECESSARY. >> DO YOU WANT TO INCLUDE TERRY'S FIRM IN 2720? >> OH, YES. AND TO INCLUDE THE WOULD IT BEST BE TO DESCRIBED AS IN KIND WORK FOR APPLICATION SUBMITTAL FOR 2720. >> I'LL SECOND THAT. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NONE. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> AYE. >> OPPOSED? HEARING NONE, MOTION CARRIES. GOOD JOB. STEVE, THAT WAS INFORMATIVE. I LEARNED A LOT THERE. >> I APOLOGIZE FOR RUNNING A LITTLE BIT LATE. >> OH, NO, YOU'RE OKAY. YOU CAN'T HELP THAT. IT'S KIND OF IRONIC THAT TRAFFIC KEPT YOU FROM GETTING HERE. >> YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> THANK YOU, JUDGE. >> YOU BET. WITH THAT, WE'LL LOOK FOR A MOTION TO ADJOURN. >> SO MOVED. >> MOTION TO ADJOURN BY COMMISSIONER THERIOT. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HORNE? ANY DISCUSSION? NONE. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> AYE. >> OPPOSED? HEARING NONE, MOTION CARRIES. WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 10:28. DON'T ANYBODY RUN OFF BECAUSE STEPHANIE WILL KILL ME IF YOU DON'T SHOW UP FOR YOUR PICTURE. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.